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so... who thinks Lance Armstrong was cheating when he won the 7 tdf... wubble wubble wubble akdfjrjdnnmjw.jww
i'd rather watch bob fleming on country matters badger watch..
yes he was a cheat yes he was a scoundrel, however the person in second was more than likely also doping through lance's time's. would this not suggest that lance had a little more 'natural talent' over second as both would of had access to the same doping plans and would of being using almost identical tactics equipment and drugs. how far do you go when do we stop? there is prize money for say the top 10 i dont know, should they ask for the money back off just lance? as jules has said you had to cheat in those days to keep up. so why dont they ask for the top 10 prize money back?
it would be unfair on LA. i think that they should forget about story's from the past and dragging it to present stering up old doping scandals and forget about them. surely the sport needs to focus on having a clean future and not how awful the past was. now we can test for these things we should focus on testing in the present and not the past. i also agree with claire and garmin sharps attitude to doping all past doping should be forgiven. and if cought in future doping scandals they will be banned from the team. people learn from mistakes and others mistakes. the sooner the sport is clean the better and the sooner this case is wrapped up wether he be found guilty or not guilty the better. time's change and in my eye lance is still inspirational to so many. beating cancer still riding his bike to take all his tdf wins that he did is monumental and deserves a pat on the back.
this years tdf was one to be remembered with a british rider taking the yellow jersey and another british rider in second where wiggins has had no previous involvement in doping and neither has froome we should be focusing on that and enjoying the fact that it was a british 1-2 and they were drug free it has made a change and i think there will be good things to come for cycling its a growing sport and with more people riding bikes now more than ever we should be happy the fact its now clean.
im sure some of you will disagree but we are all entitled to our opinions.
Anyone 'bored' by the biggest crisis in cycling history, please look away now! 🙂
Today, the UCI met to discuss several issues:
1. For the seven years 1999 to 2005, there will officially be no winner of the race. They will remain blank. The committee has called on Armstrong and all other disqualified riders to return the prize money achieved in that time.
2. There is a promise to establish a fully independent external commission. No details have been given as yet as regards the composition of the commission, but the UCI has said that an ‘independent sports body’ will nominate the members and that the terms of reference will be arranged between them and the management commission.
3. Hein Verbruggen and Pat McQuaid have refused to resign.
4.The UCI has also put on hold its legal action against the journalist Paul Kimmage. McQuaid and former president Hein Vebruggen had sued him on the grounds that they said he had deemed the UCI corrupt. It is unclear if the action could restart after the commission’s findings, or if it will be permanently dropped.
This seems to be a holding situation designed to cool down the pressure on the UCI, and the calls for resignations. Whether the items 2 and 4 above are changes for the better or empty promises remains to be seen. In the meantime the axe over Paul Kimmage's head has been halted mid-air. His fund currently has reached $83,000 and 2780 individual donations. (Item 4 of this announcement must be connected to the success of the legal defense fund, and designed to halt it's momentum?)
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13156/UCI-confirms-seven-blank-years-on-Tour-de-France-honours-list.aspx
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13155/UCI-suspends-legal-action-against-Paul-Kimmage-during-independent-commission-review.aspx#post-comments
http://cyclismas.chipin.com/paul-kimmage-defense-fund
'Legal attacks and counter attacks, it’s almost as exciting as bike racing.'
Kimmage counter attacks by suing Verbruggen and McQuaid in Swiss courts
Criminal investigation for suspected fraud requested by anti-doping journalist
'Six days after the UCI said that it was putting its own legal action against him on hold pending the outcome of an independent commission’s investigation of the Lance Armstrong affair and its conduct, Paul Kimmage has launched a counter attack through the Swiss courts.'
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/kimmages-quest-for-uci-accountability
http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2012/paul-kimmage-defense-fund
http://cyclismas.chipin.com/paul-kimmage-defense-fund
UCI launches stakeholders’ consultation to help boost cycling’s future
Cooperation emphasised in what could be period of greater harmony in sport
Comment: 'What is the point if Mr. McQuaid is still president'
Armstrong Affair: ICAS president Coates to draw up UCI’s independent commission
The governing body today announced that it had invited John Coates, President of the International Council of Arbitration for Sport (ICAS), to give recommendations as regards the composition and membership of the independent commission. The latter will look into the issues thrown up by USADA’s investigation into the Armstrong affair, including the UCI’s own role over the years.
Has he no shame? Defiant Lance Armstrong defies critics by posting provocative picture of himself surrounded by yellow jerseys he won by cheating... and image is already mocked in new set of hilarious memes
UCI failed to follow up on doping evidence in the past
The UCI's latest move to clean up their image has been met with derision from former professional cyclist Frankie Andreu. The sport's governing body announced on Tuesday plans to set up a hotline for riders to call if they had information regarding doping practices within the sport. It's a similar practice which USADA has carried out for a number of years, however, Andreu believes that the UCI's initiative is universally flawed due to their past actions in the war on doping.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/andreu-skeptical-about-uci-doping-hotline
EPO's drug maker, Amgen, is fighting several lawsuits about its alleged illegal drug deals, including the alleged pushing of high doses on cancer patients, with claims about risk to their health and safety. The title sponsor of the Tour of California raised $40 million in an initial public offering underwritten by Montgomery Securities, founded by amateur cyclist Thom Weisel, who also financed the U.S. Postal Service Pro Cycling Team led by Armstrong. He is the financial guru behind Lance Armstrong, and he has control of USA Cycling too. The connection between the sellers of EPO, USA Cycling, the US Postal service team, Lance Armstrong and the Livestrong Foundation are shocking.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/armstrongs-fraud-paralleled-epo-makers-feud
http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/06/lance-armstrongs-business-links-a-flowchart-by-dimspace/
http://velorooms.com/files/ArmstrongBusinessConnections.pdf
http://cavalierfc.tumblr.com/post/30489559133/its-about-the-money
Summit conference by all the great and the good in world pro cycling circles - Who do you prefer for President of the UCI - Ashenden or LeMond or someone else? 🙂
http://www.changecyclingnow.org/
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/blog/535898/greg-lemond-for-uci-president.html
Charter of the Willing:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/535820/change-cycling-now-group-to-pressure-uci.html
If you don't read anything else about Lance Armstrong, read this handy summary of the story so far by Bloomberg Business Week:
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... h-fraud#p1
Will I be staying up late to watch the Oprah interview? No, I'll catch up another time....
Meanwhile, I will be interested to see the SCA and Landis lawsuits against LA, and waiting to see if the US Justice Department joins in or not? Also, Dick Pound and the IOC are putting pressure on McQuaid and Verbruggen to resign. Then there is the UCI's own Independent Commission concerned that witnesses will not come forward without an amnesty. Then the Landis suit is naming names that were not made public in the USADA case.
What was the involvement of Thom Weisel with Verbruggen and USA Cycling? Jim Ochowitz of BMC with all of that too? There is clearly a big difference between having a business connection, and actually being involved in something. However, who paid and received bribes? Who covered up positive doping tests? Whose business links were inappropriate? Who doped? Who lied? Who threatened and slandered?
The whole situation is not something Mark Fabiani, LA's PR guru can continue to attribute to 'trolls' and 'haters', and it is not something that can be brushed under the carpet so that we can all move forward. This story will run for some time to come, with wide repercussions for cycling worldwide.
Watch this space.
Armstrong should be jailed for Perjury and banned from competition of any kind for life...
That will send a clear message to our current and future generation (ie. my son) that this behaviour is not acceptable at any level.
If this doesn't happen and he "gets away with it", what message does that send out to our kids.. 😕
He's simply a self serving nasty piece of work, who is only "coming clean 😕 " now, cause it suits his current Agenda..
He'll "snitch" on a whole host of people cause he wants lesser punishment, he has no b..ls, and will turn out to be the gutless, spineless piece of cr.p he really is.
He may have been a talented athlete at some point, that doesn't make him a decent human being..
I hope he has a whole heap of lawsuits for defamation coming his way.. lying, cheating scumbag.
Just a thought, will the Weaver Valley be receiving an apology from Lance's best mate (Paul Sherwen), after his "clean Lance" propoganda speach at the last club dinner?
Dave, Jim & Howard
the end of the day it's his life no point in getting annoyed about it if you're so against the man dont talk about him. ask yourself this, there are many people who take numerous different drugs not only recreational but also medicinal, medicinal drugs enhance and help our imune system therefore does this mean we're cheating? in a time where doping and epo was a big part of the peleton and professional cycling lance still beat everyone and needless to say there was many others who were doing it and still are. the 2012 tour was won clean, does this alone not send out a big enough message that you dont need 'performance enhancing' drugs to make you a great athlete? being of the younger generation and being quite new to the cycling world, feel free to think i may be naive but i think we should focus on what is ahead for the fantastic sport. 2012 was a massive year and shows what can come in the future and what was done by british cycling and team GB in the olympics was showing the whole world that, hard work, detemination, hard training and endless hours of effort pay off for that one thing. SUCCESS and every single human being is capable of something great just very few really follow their dreams!! focus on the future and dont dwell on the past cos s**t happens it's how you deal with it that matters. has anyone read wiggo's book? if so you will understand where i am coming from!
Titch
@jim_dhr wrote:
Just a thought, will the Weaver Valley be receiving an apology from Lance's best mate (Paul Sherwen), after his "clean Lance" propoganda speach at the last club dinner?
Dave, Jim & Howard
For those who weren't there, an explanation. Last February, we had our club dinner to celebrate our 50th anniversary. We were happy and excited that Paul Sherwen had flown in to attend our dinner. Several members knew him from the days when as a teenager, he had ridden with the club. It was all going well until he made his speech....
....you have to understand that in Feb 2012, the Jeff Novistsky Federal investigation into Lance Armstrong had been stopped very suddenly with no explanation. A political decision? The Lance Armstrong inner circle of friends must have been jubilant. He got away with it again! Paul Sherwen has shared investments in African gold mines along with Lance.
So, returning to the dinner, after a chat about old times, Paul Sherwen launches into a campaign speech about how glad he is the Fed investigation has been dropped, how innocent his friend Lance is of all charges, and how he has never doped.
So my jaw hits the floor, and I am shocked and disappointed. Is this journalist and former PR manager of Motorola so naive and innocent? Hasn't he read or talked to David Walsh or Paul Kimmage? Why is he using his old cycling club to peddle this line? Does he think we are stupid? I was too polite to confront him later, because unlike Paul, I felt this was not the time or the place to talk about these issues.
Today, on twitter, the Tour Down Under called Paul and Phil (liggett) 'the international voice of cycling'. My view is that they profited from their close connections to Lance, and basked in his reflected glory, and that now they can share in his fall from grace. They may not have done anything illegal, Phil and Paul, but they were not good, impartial investigative journalists. They were part of Lance's PR machine and they enjoyed the ride on the gravy train.....
This tale illustrates how the ripples of the Lance Armstrong scandal will travel far and wide in cycling. Some members have cherished memories of how their club member and friend rode the Tour de France, while others will think of his role in the largest fraud in sporting history.
You decide.
